<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt">I like Holbein but...<br><br><br>brown madder ( red, really)...similar to cad but very transparent<br>carmine is a good red.<br>winsor red ( very) cool<br><br><br><div> </div>*************************************************************************** <br>Artist website : <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.MiriamSchulmanStudio.com">http://www.MiriamSchulmanStudio.com</a><br>I have an <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://schulmanart.blogspot.com">ART BLOG!</a><br><br><div class="centered"><center><form target="_blank" method="get" action="http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/schulmanstudio"><table bgcolor="#ffffcc" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" align="center"><em>Subscribe to my art newsletter!<br></em></td></tr><tr><td><input
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Well,
as
a
paint
junkie
from
years
back,
not
to
mention
one
who
has
had
to <br>fight
the
'reds'
fight
often
based
on
subject
matter,
guess
I
can
throw
in <br>here.<br><br>Back
in
the
dark
ages
when
I
was
in
art
school,
there
were
only
a
couple
of <br>reds:
Alizarin
Crimson
and
Scarlet
Vermillion
(one
cool,
one
warm),
the <br>latter
of
which
was
found
not
to
be
desirable
on
a
safety
basis
I
don't
even <br>recall
any
longer;
and
Napthol
creeping
around
in
the
background.
Then <br>Cadmium
burst
on
the
scene,
now
followed
by
their
chemical
babies
the <br>Quinacridones,
Anthraquinoids
and
et
ceteras.
About
the
time
the
Cads <br>showed
up,
I
was
out
from
under
the
Limited
Palette
approach,
and
in
the <br>marketplace
where
results,
and
fast,
counted
more
than
anything.
A
lot
of <br>people
quit
using
the
Cads
on
a
safety
basis
in
the
fine
art
world,
but
not <br>otherwise.<br><br>With
the
exception
of
the
Alizarin,
just
about
all
of
them
have
transparency <br>limitations
(Alizarin
has
got
all
the
other
problems).
Grumbacher
started <br>marketing
Alizarin
Crimson
Golden
trying
to
get
a
warm
red,
and
it
was
a <br>nice
try,
but
no
cigar
for
sure.
And
in
the
way
of
paint
manufacturers, <br>everybody
tried
out
new
names
and
new
combinations
of
pigments
to
get
us
all <br>to
buy
more
paint.<br>I've
bought
most
of
them,
and
that
said,
I
have
to
say
that
there's
probably <br>a
favourite
out
there
for
each
of
us,
and
not
one
the
same.<br><br>I
have
a
hard
time
understanding,
for
instance,
why
Perylene
Scarlet
can <br>manage
to
be
semi-transparent,
but
Perylene
Red
operates
like
house
paint; <br>why
Quinacridone
Red
seems
to
be
a
wimpy
version
of
Alizarin,
or <br>Quinacridone
Coral
is
such
a
great
colour
while
Ultramarine
Red
isn't
even <br>red;
why
Holbein
cannot
seem
to
manufacture
a
good
red
when
they
have
some <br>really
neat
colours.
But
when
you
need
a
certain
handling
quality
or
a <br>certain
tone,
it
definitely
pays
to
know
your
adversary
but
also
to
know <br>your
subject
matter.<br><br>If
I
was
painting
a
red
barn
in
the
sunshine
as
it
looks
in
the
light
of
the <br>West,
for
instance,
I'd
reach
for
my
Daniel
Smith
Deep
Scarlet;
take
that <br>barn
to
the
South,
however,
and
I'll
want
Alizarin
Crimson <br>Golden(Grumbacher).
When
I
need
an
orange
hue,
I
mix
New
Gamboge
with
any <br>rose.
I
don't
care
for
Cadmium
red
only
because
it
is
so
opaque
that
for <br>me,
it
goes
dead
easily,but
the
Perylene
and
Quinacridone
Coral
tones
don't. <br>I'm
still
searching
for
something
that
the
Ultramarine
Red
would
be
good
for <br>(I've
owned
it
many
years).<br><br>So
alas,
I
think
you
have
to
fight
the
battle,
buy
tiny
tubes
until
you
know <br>what
you
want;
and
never,
never
buy
any
colour
in
student
grade
paint,
but <br>especially
not
a
red.
Insofar
as
spanning
from
cool
to
warm
in
reds
--
what <br>a
brave
person,
is
all
I
can
say.....................
But
I
think
for
each <br>of
us
the
choice
has
got
to
be
different
simply
due
to
what
we
paint,
how
we <br>paint,
and
perhaps
how
we
feel
about
reds?<br><br>pat
chapin<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.patchapin.com">www.patchapin.com</a><br><br><br><br>-----
Original
Message
----- <br>From:
"pat
davis"
<<a ymailto="mailto:peedee@nucleus.com" href="mailto:peedee@nucleus.com">peedee@nucleus.com</a>><br>Cc:
"aquanet"
<<a ymailto="mailto:aquanet@thedigitalbraintrust.net" href="mailto:aquanet@thedigitalbraintrust.net">aquanet@thedigitalbraintrust.net</a>><br>Sent:
Wednesday,
March
05,
2008
11:12
AM<br>Subject:
Re:
[Aquanet]
a
question
of
scarlet<br><br><br>><br>><br>>
Lorraine
Dietrich
wrote:<br>>>
I
like
permanent
Red
from
Da
Vinci
very
much.
Very
bright
red,
lots
of<br>>>
power.<br>>>
Naphthol
Red.
I
love
it.
It
has
punch,
tinctorial,
very
handsome
,
a<br>>>
real
Gypsy
color<br>><br>>
Carrie
contributed:<br>><br>>>
Graham
makes
one
called
"Naphthol
Red"
that
I
like
for
that
cad
rd
light <br>>>
color
but
it
is
very
transparent.
A
little
goes
a
long
way.
I
still
use <br>>>
cad
orange
so
if
I
want
to
knock
it
down
a
little,
that's
where
I
go.<br>><br>>
I
do
have
naphthol
red,
Graham
of
course,
but
to
my
eye
it
appears
to
be<br>>
maybe
a
spectrum
red;
that
is,
pretty
much
right
in
the
middle
of
the<br>>
reds,
between
scarlets
and
crimsons.
I
was
thinking
of
a
red
a
bit
more<br>>
to
the
scarlet
than
that.<br>><br>>
Brad
said
the
following:<br>><br>>>
I
have
so
many
problems
using
reds
that
I
finally
realized
that
the<br>>>
best
I
can
do
is
help
the
viewer
see
just
how
confused
I
am
when
I<br>>>
look
at
reds.
I
have
a
whole
bunch
of
tubes
of
different
reds,
but
I<br>>>
am
happiest
with
the
results
when
I
span
a
wide
range
of
warm
to
cool<br>>>
reds
that
bracket
the
local
color
(more
like
hot
to
cold).<br>>
I'm
thinking
that
maybe
this
is
the
answer
as
it
would
save
me
being<br>>
hung
up
on
any
specific
colour.
My
work
tends
to
ignore
real-to-life<br>>
colours
anyway,
so
I
guess
I'm
fretting
about
this
because...
uh
...I'm<br>>
neurotic?
I'm
still
in
the
phase
where
I
believe
that
getting
exactly<br>>
the
right
shade
will
move
my
work
from
mundane
to
marvellous?
I
think<br>>
maybe
I
need
professional
help?<br>><br>>
your
gibbering
friend<br>>
pat<br>><br>><br>><br>>
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