[Aquanet] a question of scarlet

[patchapin at mindspring.com]

Yeah, those little Quinacridone beasties from the car paint world are 
definitely helpful sometimes!
pat chapin
www.patchapin.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorraine Dietrich" <dietrich11 at sympatico.ca>
To: "pbrand" <pbrand at buckeye-express.com>; "Pat Chapin" 
<patchapin at mindspring.com>; "'pat davis'" <peedee at nucleus.com>; "'aquanet'" 
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Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet


> More info :
>
> When I need a modern lightfast Alizarin Crimson, the one I found that is 
> the
> nearest hue to the former not lightfast Alizarin Crimson is : Da Vinci 
> Alizarin
> Crimson Quinacridone. Because I paint flowers, I have many reds and pinks.
>
> LORRAINE P. DIETRICH, iaf, news
> artiste peintre / artist
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "pbrand" <pbrand at buckeye-express.com>
> To: <patchapin at mindspring.com>; "'pat davis'" <peedee at nucleus.com>;
> "'aquanet'" <aquanet at thedigitalbraintrust.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet
>
>
>> Pat, I stand by my choices. The reds I recommended are in my experience
>> less
>> opaque than the cadmiums and handle well. As you noted to me off the net,
>> the brown you were referring to is for Perylene scarlet not Perylene red.
>> I
>> haven't tried Perylene scarlet.
>>
>> Hilary Page wrote an exhaustive study of watercolor pigments and paints,
>> with detailed lists by brand name (Hilary Page's Guide to Watercolor
>> Paints
>> by Hilary Page - Dec 1996 available from Amazon). She ranks all the reds 
>> I
>> mentioned as 3 star (her highest rating) and either very good or 
>> excellent
>> light fast. She says that Pyrrol scarlet is "semi opaque" at full
>> strength.
>>
>> As far as genuine alizarin crimson (PR83 dihydroxyanthroquinone) is
>> concerned, Page says it is not as light fast as more modern pigments. I
>> grant you Quinacridone rose is not the same color, but it makes beautiful
>> violets or purples with ultramarine blue and its tendency toward bluish
>> pink
>> should be useful for sunsets and flowers.
>>
>> Pat, why "never mind Vermillion?" The Old Holland Vermillion extra is a
>> bright gorgeous red tending to orange with great tinting strength. I 
>> don't
>> use it as much as the other reds I listed, but it's nice to have if you
>> don't mind the expense.
>>
>> You can see these reds in action in the watercolors on my website:
>> www.dadandrenee.com
>>
>> As usual, the bottom line is make your own decision. Artists are
>> (hopefully)
>> all individualists and one person's red may be another person's brown.
>>
>> Paul Brand
>> pbrand at bex.net
>> www.dadandrenee.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: patchapin at mindspring.com [mailto:patchapin at mindspring.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:55 PM
>> To: pbrand; 'pat davis'; 'aquanet'
>> Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet
>>
>> Paul Brand wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "pbrand" <pbrand at buckeye-express.com>
>> To: "'pat davis'" <peedee at nucleus.com>; "'aquanet'"
>> <aquanet at thedigitalbraintrust.net>
>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet
>>
>>
>>> Consider Old Holland Vermillion Extra..........Daniel Smith Pyrrol
>>> Scarlet.............
>>>
>>> In fact these three reds from Daniel Smith may be all you need:
>>> Pyrrol Scarlet similar to cadmium red light or medium
>>> Perylene Red similar to cadmium red deep
>>> Quinacridone Rose bluer like Alizarin Crimson (in fact some of the tubes
>>> labeled Alizarin Crimson are now a quinacridone color).
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>> Boy, would I argue with this one.  Quinacridone Rose/Permanent Rose is a
>> cold rose pink, not at all like true Alizarin Crimson, which is a deep,
>> dark, cold red. Both of them are transparent, and in my mind, you need
>> both.
>>
>> Perylene Red and Pyrrol Scarlet, never mind Vermillion -- are not at all
>> transparent, and wouldn't be my choices at all, since one of them veers
>> toward an orange, one to a brown, and one is a different chemical tone of
>> Cad Red without the handling response.
>>
>> That's just me, of course.  As I said earlier, probably everyone on this
>> list could come up with a different 'necessary' list of reds.
>> pat chapin
>> www.patchapin.com
>>
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