[Aquanet] a question of scarlet

[Lorraine Dietrich]

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When I need a modern lightfast Alizarin Crimson, the one I found that is the
nearest hue to the former not lightfast Alizarin Crimson is : Da Vinci 
Alizarin
Crimson Quinacridone. Because I paint flowers, I have many reds and pinks.

LORRAINE P. DIETRICH, iaf, news
artiste peintre / artist
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pbrand" <pbrand at buckeye-express.com>
To: <patchapin at mindspring.com>; "'pat davis'" <peedee at nucleus.com>;
"'aquanet'" <aquanet at thedigitalbraintrust.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet


> Pat, I stand by my choices. The reds I recommended are in my experience
> less
> opaque than the cadmiums and handle well. As you noted to me off the net,
> the brown you were referring to is for Perylene scarlet not Perylene red.
> I
> haven't tried Perylene scarlet.
>
> Hilary Page wrote an exhaustive study of watercolor pigments and paints,
> with detailed lists by brand name (Hilary Page's Guide to Watercolor
> Paints
> by Hilary Page - Dec 1996 available from Amazon). She ranks all the reds I
> mentioned as 3 star (her highest rating) and either very good or excellent
> light fast. She says that Pyrrol scarlet is "semi opaque" at full
> strength.
>
> As far as genuine alizarin crimson (PR83 dihydroxyanthroquinone) is
> concerned, Page says it is not as light fast as more modern pigments. I
> grant you Quinacridone rose is not the same color, but it makes beautiful
> violets or purples with ultramarine blue and its tendency toward bluish
> pink
> should be useful for sunsets and flowers.
>
> Pat, why "never mind Vermillion?" The Old Holland Vermillion extra is a
> bright gorgeous red tending to orange with great tinting strength. I don't
> use it as much as the other reds I listed, but it's nice to have if you
> don't mind the expense.
>
> You can see these reds in action in the watercolors on my website:
> www.dadandrenee.com
>
> As usual, the bottom line is make your own decision. Artists are
> (hopefully)
> all individualists and one person's red may be another person's brown.
>
> Paul Brand
> pbrand at bex.net
> www.dadandrenee.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patchapin at mindspring.com [mailto:patchapin at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: pbrand; 'pat davis'; 'aquanet'
> Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet
>
> Paul Brand wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "pbrand" <pbrand at buckeye-express.com>
> To: "'pat davis'" <peedee at nucleus.com>; "'aquanet'"
> <aquanet at thedigitalbraintrust.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aquanet] a question of scarlet
>
>
>> Consider Old Holland Vermillion Extra..........Daniel Smith Pyrrol
>> Scarlet.............
>>
>> In fact these three reds from Daniel Smith may be all you need:
>> Pyrrol Scarlet similar to cadmium red light or medium
>> Perylene Red similar to cadmium red deep
>> Quinacridone Rose bluer like Alizarin Crimson (in fact some of the tubes
>> labeled Alizarin Crimson are now a quinacridone color).
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
> Boy, would I argue with this one.  Quinacridone Rose/Permanent Rose is a
> cold rose pink, not at all like true Alizarin Crimson, which is a deep,
> dark, cold red. Both of them are transparent, and in my mind, you need
> both.
>
> Perylene Red and Pyrrol Scarlet, never mind Vermillion -- are not at all
> transparent, and wouldn't be my choices at all, since one of them veers
> toward an orange, one to a brown, and one is a different chemical tone of
> Cad Red without the handling response.
>
> That's just me, of course.  As I said earlier, probably everyone on this
> list could come up with a different 'necessary' list of reds.
> pat chapin
> www.patchapin.com
>
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